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and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to mr. well check from fox 2 the news area there, he actually saw it, witnessed it, broke the story, smelled the pot, the whole thing, the moral of the story is call the cops when you walk in on union workers with or any workers that are. >> otherwise you don't have case. >> i want to be perfectly clear and you are the person to do it for the whole audience watching tonight let me get this straight the union said is this the united auto workers union, i assume? >> yes. >> to the state arbiter or to the by appoint want, all right? there is no evidence that they were drinking and smoking pot on the job.
and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to...
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and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to mr. well check from fox 2 the news area there, he actually saw it, witnessed it, broke the story, smelled the pot, the whole thing, the moral of the story is call the cops when you walk in on union workers with or any workers that are. >> otherwise you don't have case. >> i want to be perfectly clear and you are the person to do it for the whole audience watching tonight let me get this straight the union said is this the united auto workers union, i assume? >> yes. >> to the state arbiter or to the by appoint want, all right? there is no evidence that they were drinking and smoking pot on the job.
and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to...
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>> well, this is a situation where chrysler fired the workers. they were embarrassed by the video of course. it went national. it went international. they fired the 13 guys pretty quickly, because they wanted to send a message that, you know, this is not the image that chrysler wants. so they fired these guys quickly. then it goes through the arbitration process. took two years. chrysler hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. the uaw hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. they battle it out in court. the arbitrator is like the judge, and arbitrator said these guys deserve their jobs back. now in the statement that chrysler said -- gave me, they said this happened during their off-duty time. so technically, i guess, they were not paid. even the uaw has rules where it says they don't tolerate alcohol and drugs in the workplace, but these guys were in their off-duty time them. spent their lunch getting high, having a good time, then going back to work. so i don't know. >> what was it like when you first happened upon the scene? take me back to that moment
>> well, this is a situation where chrysler fired the workers. they were embarrassed by the video of course. it went national. it went international. they fired the 13 guys pretty quickly, because they wanted to send a message that, you know, this is not the image that chrysler wants. so they fired these guys quickly. then it goes through the arbitration process. took two years. chrysler hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. the uaw hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. they battle it out in...
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chrysler does not agree but it wants to put this situation behind them as so many do. chrysler said we respect the agreements procedure process in the collective bargaining agreement and the relationship with united autoworkers. those that will not go the of state exchange, where republicans says he is convinced the government makes up the implementation as it goes along in providing almost no information on how works. the state's have to reach a decision by friday. growing democratic opposition set to take effect senators and senators elect send a letter to harry reid urging a delay that the medical device industry has given little guidance. obama and speaker boehner meeting face-to-face over the fiscal cliff. they're not sayinn what they talked about as the "a team" joins us next. lou: the joining me now the "a team" special assistant to the george bush ron christie, and pulitzer prize winning journalist never an assistant to george w. bush of love and president morsi says the rescinded his powers to arrested a civilian industry? >> good news tonight. he knowledge he
chrysler does not agree but it wants to put this situation behind them as so many do. chrysler said we respect the agreements procedure process in the collective bargaining agreement and the relationship with united autoworkers. those that will not go the of state exchange, where republicans says he is convinced the government makes up the implementation as it goes along in providing almost no information on how works. the state's have to reach a decision by friday. growing democratic...
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. >>> this made i grateful riding in a chrysler, right? remeer workers that were caught boozing and looked like they were high a couple years ago. and they were fired. now they're back on the job. how is that even possible? piles of money and tons of questions coming u ♪ [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at res.. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis sympto. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hourelief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus,n clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical functn so moving is easier. celebrex cabe taken with or without food. and it not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benets with theisks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen, and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all
. >>> this made i grateful riding in a chrysler, right? remeer workers that were caught boozing and looked like they were high a couple years ago. and they were fired. now they're back on the job. how is that even possible? piles of money and tons of questions coming u ♪ [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at res.. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis sympto. but if you have arthritis, staying...
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melissa: i think it's a bad ad for chrysler because people see this and they don't want to buy chryslers because saying these are guys putting my car together. i'm scared the tire will fall off going down the street. i wish we had more time. you're a great guest. appreciate having you on. >> my pleasure. melissa: from a mc slump to mcsave. anatomy of a sales comeback. cheddar, bacon, onions coming to the rescue. i will eat both cheeseburgers doing the break. you can never have too much money or too much lipitor, i don't know. hmmm. >> all right, time at a a little bit of fun. we're joined with our very own ashley webster. first up in a study came out with a positive effects of according to the stuuy, coupon is more relaxing than the spa, more enjoyable than kissing. i don't know who they are kissing. what do you think? >> this study was put together for coupons.com. no big surprise. coupons here everything that could ail you. melissa: those who receive ccupons for 11% happier. what is 11% happier feel like? >> i would say maybe a seven versus what they were feeling before, but what they
melissa: i think it's a bad ad for chrysler because people see this and they don't want to buy chryslers because saying these are guys putting my car together. i'm scared the tire will fall off going down the street. i wish we had more time. you're a great guest. appreciate having you on. >> my pleasure. melissa: from a mc slump to mcsave. anatomy of a sales comeback. cheddar, bacon, onions coming to the rescue. i will eat both cheeseburgers doing the break. you can never have too much...
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you put chrysler in very awkward position. >> i did put chrysler in awkward position, no two ways about it. it is really workers fault. they are the guys that did it. there are a lot of people working in the factory and i'm hearing from the people in the factory right now, majority of people that i have been hearing from that work in the factory are not really thrilled that these guys are coming back. megyn: they gave them all a black eye. >> the people in the factory don't want the guys working in there. megyn: majority of the workers are hard-working people who don't get hammered on the lunch break and go back and build our jeeps. they took a beating as well in the public. i want to talk about whether this is the new state? we've been talking about unions in this program as michigan is now a right-to-work state and this is where this happened, in michigan. i will pick up on that and how this story plays in right after the break. we'll carry you guys over. stay with me. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you stil
you put chrysler in very awkward position. >> i did put chrysler in awkward position, no two ways about it. it is really workers fault. they are the guys that did it. there are a lot of people working in the factory and i'm hearing from the people in the factory right now, majority of people that i have been hearing from that work in the factory are not really thrilled that these guys are coming back. megyn: they gave them all a black eye. >> the people in the factory don't want the...
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chrysler now twice. we see that in the southern states where the transplants are without the unions. they weren't the ones who went bankrupt last -- in 2008 and 2009. so it really is a choice. it's a tough choice. and i sympathize with the unions but the fact is that in the global economy where you have to compete on wages and other elements, of the units of production, can you either have, you know, high wages with low employment or you can, as obama would say, spread around the wealth. the fact is that in the right-to-work states, unemployment is 6.9%. >> we have a graphic that shows right-to-work vs. non-right to work statements on employment, go ahead. >> and in the other stays the non-right-to-work it's 8.7. so you can choose to have fewer workers who enjoy higher inflated unnatural, if you like, wangs on uncompetitive wages. or competitive wages and more people employed. more people with the dignity of a job and less unemployment. more taxation and more activity. i think it's it the right choice bu
chrysler now twice. we see that in the southern states where the transplants are without the unions. they weren't the ones who went bankrupt last -- in 2008 and 2009. so it really is a choice. it's a tough choice. and i sympathize with the unions but the fact is that in the global economy where you have to compete on wages and other elements, of the units of production, can you either have, you know, high wages with low employment or you can, as obama would say, spread around the wealth. the...
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as a result of what he found he brought it to chrysler's attention. 13 employees fired following chrysler's investigation. two suspended 30 days. all of them back at work. check this out. roll the tape. >> hey, guys, hate to be a buzz kill, shouldn't you guys building cars? the government spent a lot of money bailing you guys out and you're coming out here on lunch break drinking like this? where are you guys going, man? >> reporter: they got out but didn't essentially get away because they lost their jobs. two years later most are back, reinstated 30 days later. they were drinking out of paper bags and reportedly smoking marijuana. the jefferson north assembly plant in michigan where this was taking place, they were part of the auto industry that received what was collectively millions in taxpayer bailout money, martha. martha: interesting. good reporting. jamie, thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. bill: was that guy driving away in a ford mustang in the story? guilty as charged. see you at lunch today, martha. unions planning, another mass protest tomorrow in the state of michigan. wh
as a result of what he found he brought it to chrysler's attention. 13 employees fired following chrysler's investigation. two suspended 30 days. all of them back at work. check this out. roll the tape. >> hey, guys, hate to be a buzz kill, shouldn't you guys building cars? the government spent a lot of money bailing you guys out and you're coming out here on lunch break drinking like this? where are you guys going, man? >> reporter: they got out but didn't essentially get away...
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chrysler rehiring union workers it fired after very public embarrassing incident. why the turn around? >> a local television statement had videotape of these workers on a break looking like they were smoking pot, drinking. this is a very public story in detroit. people were outraged saying, look, there is the problem with you with the union workers. they violate terms. they went to mediator and the mediator said, can you prove they were smoebing pot? ? no. can you prove they were drinking alcohol? no. so the mediator said you have to rehire them. chrysler is not happy. they put out a statement saying, yes, he had to rehire the employees. while the company does not agree with the ultimate decision of the arbitrator, we respect the grievance process as outlined in the collective bargaining agreement and our relationship with the uaw. these workers are going back on the job. but this is the kind of thing in detroit people look at and say, give me a break. these guys were caught doing something on camera that was clearly maybe not legally could be proven to be wrong, b
chrysler rehiring union workers it fired after very public embarrassing incident. why the turn around? >> a local television statement had videotape of these workers on a break looking like they were smoking pot, drinking. this is a very public story in detroit. people were outraged saying, look, there is the problem with you with the union workers. they violate terms. they went to mediator and the mediator said, can you prove they were smoebing pot? ? no. can you prove they were drinking...
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and remember the chrysler workers smoking and drinking during the lunch break? two suspended and they got their jobs back. that was an arbitrator's ruling. under the union contract they were on their own time. chrysler says it disagrees with the decision, can't change it, that's the example of the union's power. and tell us what you think about the workers getting their jobs back. and we'll read some on the air. more fantasy island in california, coming up after the break, why california's green energy policies just don't work and we're also going to bring you the opening bell and we've got more companies issuing special dividends before the end of the year. including the one that runs victoria's secrets. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that hes block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. relieving the pain quickly. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. an
and remember the chrysler workers smoking and drinking during the lunch break? two suspended and they got their jobs back. that was an arbitrator's ruling. under the union contract they were on their own time. chrysler says it disagrees with the decision, can't change it, that's the example of the union's power. and tell us what you think about the workers getting their jobs back. and we'll read some on the air. more fantasy island in california, coming up after the break, why california's...
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chrysler said that. not the union. >> sorry, sorry. chrysler said that. so like next time something falls off your chrysler, like your steering wheel cover kind of slips off, now we know why, because you're like sailing -- 30,000 feet up high. knobs always fall off. let's get another nickel bag before i go back to work. ridiculous! >> gretchen: it speaks to the power of the union. it really does. and whatever they had in the language of their contract, the arbitrator sided with them. so they must have this sort of ironclad language. you're a lawyer what, do you think? >> well, i think chrysler is now on the receiving end of what so many others feel in states where unions are really powerful. and so they're now the ones who have to deal with it. as a legal matter, i don't think chrysler is going to be able to challenge this. i think the ruling is going to stand and maybe chrysler will rue the day they were so lax and tolerant of union power. >> steve: speaking of power. powerball, the second guy who won t
chrysler said that. not the union. >> sorry, sorry. chrysler said that. so like next time something falls off your chrysler, like your steering wheel cover kind of slips off, now we know why, because you're like sailing -- 30,000 feet up high. knobs always fall off. let's get another nickel bag before i go back to work. ridiculous! >> gretchen: it speaks to the power of the union. it really does. and whatever they had in the language of their contract, the arbitrator sided with...
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>> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but before there was greece, there was detroit. detroit is greece. if it was only the acropolis. dead city. people left because they couldn't make a living, the unions suffocate pod tenial. >> bob: true about toledo and cleveland and cincinnati? the northern cities that hav
>> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the...
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>> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we invest almost $5 million a year in apprenticeship and training programs. we operate skilled workers to build complicated infrastructure projects like the governor wants to build in this state. so it will make michigan less competitive. it puts us in a race to the bottom with low-wage, low-skill states, that's bad for our state. >> eliot: tim, you were one of the leaders in the legislature. many of us looking at michigan and think is a state that voted for president obama. just re-elected debbie stabenow to the senate. you are as blue as a state can be. what explains this tension almost this schi
>> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we...
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gm, chrysler were all on the brink of failure and if they failed, the suppliers and distributors getting the business from those countries, they would have died off, too. even ford could have gone down. production halted. factories shuttered. once proud companies shopped up, sold off for scraps. and all of you, the men and women who built these companies with your own hands, would have been hung out to dry. and everybody in this community that depends on you, restaurant owners, storekeepers, bartenders. they -- their livelihoods would have been at stake, too. so i wasn't about to let that happen. i placed my bet on american workers. we bet on american ingenuity. i'd make that same bet any day of the week. three and a half years later that bet is paying off. this industry's added over 250,000 new jobs. american auto industry is back. and companies like diamler know you're still a smart bet. they could have made their investments somewhere else but they didn't. and if you ask them whether it was a tough call, they tell you it wasn't even close. so the word's going out all around the world.
gm, chrysler were all on the brink of failure and if they failed, the suppliers and distributors getting the business from those countries, they would have died off, too. even ford could have gone down. production halted. factories shuttered. once proud companies shopped up, sold off for scraps. and all of you, the men and women who built these companies with your own hands, would have been hung out to dry. and everybody in this community that depends on you, restaurant owners, storekeepers,...
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meanwhile, president obama will visit a chrysler plant just outside detroit today. remember, a city council woman last week said the city deserves a federal bailout because the city helped reelect the president. >> after the election of jimmy carter, the honorable coleman alexander young, he went to washington d.c., and came back home with some bacon. stuart: well, you heard the rest from there. the lady goes on to say it's a quid pro quo give us the monny because we voted for you. the question, will the president offer any hint of a bailout, bailout help for deeroit today. will he address union anger at michigan's right to work legislation? this goes to the heart of government spending and the position of organized labor in president obama's second term. we're right there in michigan. let's go to facebook. weigh in on what's happening there. will detroit get a bailout and what do you think about the unions? will they win? good questions all. now, one of the worst blowouts in nfl history. seattle seahawks beat arizona cardinals 58-0. the cardinals threw four interce
meanwhile, president obama will visit a chrysler plant just outside detroit today. remember, a city council woman last week said the city deserves a federal bailout because the city helped reelect the president. >> after the election of jimmy carter, the honorable coleman alexander young, he went to washington d.c., and came back home with some bacon. stuart: well, you heard the rest from there. the lady goes on to say it's a quid pro quo give us the monny because we voted for you. the...
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there's no money in the federal till to bail out detroit, especially after we bailed out gm and chrysler already. >> larry, i say let it fail. i'm sorry. you have. to i want those people to have local control. they fought for that local control. they should have a vote. the citizens of the city of detroit should have a vote. but it should fail when it goes wrong. that's what has to happen. the good news is we've now got in michigan as of yesterday we've got legislation pass today make michigan a right to work state. that's going to have a big impact down the road. >> i like that. i like the failure idea. free market capitalism is about success and failure. and as the great free market capitalist nobel prize winner wrote, of the two, doc, sometimes failure teaches us more than success. i like your point very, very much. all right. doc thompson coming out of detroit, thanks very much. >>> now let's talk about the cuts plan for the federal workforce. with the countdown to the fiscal cliff at 24 days, the "washington post" reporting today that federal agencies are sharpening their plans befo
there's no money in the federal till to bail out detroit, especially after we bailed out gm and chrysler already. >> larry, i say let it fail. i'm sorry. you have. to i want those people to have local control. they fought for that local control. they should have a vote. the citizens of the city of detroit should have a vote. but it should fail when it goes wrong. that's what has to happen. the good news is we've now got in michigan as of yesterday we've got legislation pass today make...
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gm, chrysler were all on the brink of failure. and if they failed, the suppliers and distributors that get their business from those companies, they would have died off, too. even ford could have gone down -- production halted. factories shuttered. once proud companies chopped up and sold off for scraps. and all of you -- the men and women who built these companies with your own hands -- would have been hung out to dry. and everybody in this community that depends on you -- restaurant owners, storekeepers, bartenders -- their livelihoods would have been at stake, too. so i wasn't about to let that happen. i placed my bet on american workers. we bet on american ingenuity. i'd make that same bet any day of the week. [applause] three and a half years later, that bet is paying off. this industry has added over a quarter of a million new jobs. assembly lines are humming again. the american auto industry is back. and companies like daimler know you're still a smart bet. they could have made their investment somewhere else, but they didn
gm, chrysler were all on the brink of failure. and if they failed, the suppliers and distributors that get their business from those companies, they would have died off, too. even ford could have gone down -- production halted. factories shuttered. once proud companies chopped up and sold off for scraps. and all of you -- the men and women who built these companies with your own hands -- would have been hung out to dry. and everybody in this community that depends on you -- restaurant owners,...
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melissa: can you imagine you buy the fuel and put it among the manufacturers, chrysler, gm, toyota, especially in older vehicles and look at your manufacturers website if you're in this group, what happens with the e15 the fuel separates and ethanol in there is highly corrosive to your engine. is this new information? did we know this before? >> well, no, we've told the regulators about this we spent millions of dollars in research to try to understand that dynamic. in fact let me reiterate. in the oil and gas business we support biofuels. we're major investors and producers of biofuels but we don't think you should force more biofuels to be mixed with regular gasoline until you know its impact. other research shows it puts five million american cars that are already on the street at risk where it could have some engine damage. we think you need to look at all these other issues that are now starting to come to the surface, but regulators, the administration just moved forward mandating the fuel. melissa: what does it mean to have aaa coming in and putting out a warning, saying don't use it, a
melissa: can you imagine you buy the fuel and put it among the manufacturers, chrysler, gm, toyota, especially in older vehicles and look at your manufacturers website if you're in this group, what happens with the e15 the fuel separates and ethanol in there is highly corrosive to your engine. is this new information? did we know this before? >> well, no, we've told the regulators about this we spent millions of dollars in research to try to understand that dynamic. in fact let me...
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what's happening with chrysler. what's happening with ford. >> yep. >> i mean, these are companies that are fighting back. >> coming back. >> and it is inspiring. >> they need strong unions. >> let's do a town hall meeting. >> let's do it. that was fun. we did that in new jersey on education. let's do it. >> let's go to detroit and we can talk about this, also how to revive detroit. >> michigan, you did a show for the big detroit regional chamber of commerce. >> look forward to that. >> we're all going to be there. >> in vermont, you don't need, because of the icy conditions there, a ford raptor, do you? >> oh, you need a raptor. >> i have a hybrid escape. >> raptor's a lot like the escape. >> except it has horrific gas mileage. the raptor. >> oh, the raptor. >> four miles to the gallon. >> escape gets good mileage. >> 31 in the summertime. it's fantastic. >> impressive. >>> still ahead, political analyst richard wolffe. also the president of the university of pennsylvania and author amy guttmann explains why the pe
what's happening with chrysler. what's happening with ford. >> yep. >> i mean, these are companies that are fighting back. >> coming back. >> and it is inspiring. >> they need strong unions. >> let's do a town hall meeting. >> let's do it. that was fun. we did that in new jersey on education. let's do it. >> let's go to detroit and we can talk about this, also how to revive detroit. >> michigan, you did a show for the big detroit regional...
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ceo alan mulally said at the time, "we believe that if gm and chrysler would have gone into free-fall bankruptcy, they would have taken the supply base down and the industry down and turn the u.s. recession into a depression." that is the teaching moment about the power of the overall innovative skill said, the supply chain, and what that means for our capacity to compete when the company that would have been left standing thought they might have gone down as well. there is so much to say. i wanted to make these viewpoints, overall perspective, talk about manufacturing and research and skills, and i'm very happy to take your questions going forward. [applause] >> i think we have time for a few questions. i will call on people. if you could wait until he comes around with the microphone. >> thank you. aig investments. my question goes to innovation funds, which you brought out. at what stage are you focusing on with respect to either expansion or start-ups? on an execution basis, what is the regional plan as far as national strategy? >> look, i think for those of us in a government job
ceo alan mulally said at the time, "we believe that if gm and chrysler would have gone into free-fall bankruptcy, they would have taken the supply base down and the industry down and turn the u.s. recession into a depression." that is the teaching moment about the power of the overall innovative skill said, the supply chain, and what that means for our capacity to compete when the company that would have been left standing thought they might have gone down as well. there is so much to...
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if you had gm stock or chrysler before the bailout your stock value went to zero. 92 and gm was declared bankrupt. stock holder didn't appeared and in the court stock hold ares got a real hair cut. the union won and the bond holders lost. it is it a title myth the idea that unions saved detroit. >> brian: what about the union workers who say those who are not in the union are free rider will benefit from their bargaining power with the car companies, for example. >> look the right to work is enshrined in michigan and right not to have to pay union duce is ensidelined and that is it a good thing. >> gretchen: to me, it is it the most important state that this has happened in because the autoindustry is such a hunal part of the economy there and the union is so strong there. do you agree with that? >> absolutely it is the home of the autoindustry union and the idea that michigan should revert to being a right to work state, that is it a revolution in the labor market. >> steve: we heard in the run up to the election, while the gm autoworkers wound up keeping their pensions and benefits, it
if you had gm stock or chrysler before the bailout your stock value went to zero. 92 and gm was declared bankrupt. stock holder didn't appeared and in the court stock hold ares got a real hair cut. the union won and the bond holders lost. it is it a title myth the idea that unions saved detroit. >> brian: what about the union workers who say those who are not in the union are free rider will benefit from their bargaining power with the car companies, for example. >> look the right...